Hello and welcome to the Talking Operations web conference on MUTCD Notice of Proposed Amendments. My name is Jennifer Symoun and I will be giving a brief introduction to the web conferencing environment before turning the session over to Hari Kalla who we are very pleased to have as our moderator for today’s seminar.
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Attendees will be notified of the PowerPoint and the closed captioning of this seminar at this time I would like to introduce Hari Kalla the moderator of this web cast.
He is in the federal highway administration's Washington, D.C. headquarters.
Prior to joining FXWA in 2001, he was a senior design engineer for the New York state department of transportation.
Is he a registered professional engineer and a certified professional traffic operations engineer.
And now I'll turn things over to Hari who will get things started.
Thank you, Jennifer.
Okay.
Good afternoon, everybody.
And thank you for joining us for this NTOC webinar on the MUTCD notice of proposed amendment NPA.
On the screen you see the names of all the FSWA MUTCD team members as Jennifer mentioned my name is Hari Kalla and let me today, for this webinar, I have Scott Wainwright and Ken Wood.
Before I go further, let me just give you a brief introduction of Scott Wainwright and Ken Wood.
Scott Wainwright is a member of our MUTCD team here at the federal highway headquarters office of operations.
He's responsible for part three and part four of the MUTCD.
That's basically markings and signals.
Prior to joining FSWA in 2001, Scott was chief traffic engineer for Montgomery county, Maryland in the suburbs of Washington, D.C., retiring with 27 years of service.
Scott spent the first five years of his career as a traffic engineer with the state DOT.
He is a district professional engineer and a certified professional traffic operations engineer.
Ken Wood is a traffic operations engineer with operations technical service team in FHWA's research center.
He's also a member of our MUTCD team and he's responsible for the part six of the MUTCD with traffic controls.
Ken has spent previously 30 years with the Illinois department of transportation and he retired as the state traffic operations engineer.
He's also a professional engineer and certified traffic operations engineer.
So let's move on to the NPA.
As a part of this NPA, we are proposing hundreds of changes to the current 2003 MUTCD.
Our objective today is to give you a brief overview of some of the major changes we are proposing.
To revise the MUTCD, we have to follow the federal rule-making process and we started that process on January 2, 2008 by publishing our NPA, our proposals, in federal register for the comments.
As you see on the screen, we have rather long comment period for this effort, the NPA, just because we have a lot of changes.
Our comment period will end on July 31 and after that, we will review and analyze all the comments and our goal is to have the final rule, the next edition of the MUTCD sometime next year.
We have put a lot of good information on our website and on this screen you are -- you can see our website address, so I'll encourage you again to go and look at our website and there's a lot of good information, anything
and everything you want to know about this NPA.
Also, I would strongly you to submit comments, and to submit comments, you can submit comments electronically and there's a website address, again, on the screen, it's www.regulations.gov and you can submit comments there.
We get often asked how this NPA relates to the federal highways final rules on sign reflectivity.
As you probably know, the federal highway issued the final rule on sign last year, late last year 2007 and this sign rule actually modifies the current 2003 MUTCD
and the effective date for the sign rule as you see on the screen is -- was actually January 22, 2008.
To keep it simple and not confuse the matter, the NPA document itself does not show the changes, but when we publish the final rule, we will incorporate the signed natural material in the next edition of the MUTCD.
Let me talk a little bit about the introduction.
We are adding a clarification that for the purpose of MUTCD, the phrase open to public travel includes the all roads privately or publicly owned roads where public is allowed or invited to travel without any access restrictions
and that includes the toll roads, roads within the shopping centers, parking lots, airports, sports arenas and other similar business and recreational facilities.
This change actually reflects the final rule we did in 2006 that modified the code of federal regulations to include that definition.
The only change we have in this proposed -- this proposal is we are excluding the military bases from this definition.
So the purpose of -- hopefully the bottom line is that the use of signs like this one you see in the picture, the stop sign, will become less frequent on the private facilities open to public travel.
Our compliance dates are ranging from two years to 15 years are being proposed for some of the significant changes in this NPA
and the purpose of this -- adding these long compliance dates in some cases is to minimize any impact on the states and local highway agencies.
And also, what we have done is the compliance dates which are associated with the 2003 MUTCD, now we are assigning them specific dates rather than having two years or five -- ten years or 15 years.
And, also, the compliance dates, which will have been reached by early 2009, now we are deleting those compliance dates.
Now, for -- with respect to the changes proposed for the part one, certain types of signs and other devices that don't have any traffic control purposes, but they are still being placed by the permission
or by the public agencies are now being identified as not considered to be traffic control devices.
These signs or other devices, they are not intended for the use by road users in general and their method is only important to individuals who have been instructed in their meetings.
Some of the examples, you see these pictures, and they include the devices to assist highway maintenance workers, such as the snowplow markers and the markers to identify the culverts and drops in locations,
the devices such as the fire hydrant markers markers.
There are more examples you see on this screen, signs giving civic organization meetings.
What we are doing is we are also adds a guidance statement that these type of devices should be located where they will not interfere with the traffic control devices.
The color purple is being assigned to indicate facilities or lanes restricted to use only by vehicles equipped with ETC, electronic toll collection transponders.
In order to readily identify such facilities using signs or pavement marking.
So you will see in our proposal for the signs that we are using this new color purple for ETC facilities.
The evolution of electronic toll has tremendous capacity.
In addition to the electronic toll collections, we have seen the significant and more use of the managed lane concept.
The managed lanes such as tolls, vehicle occupancy requirements, vehicle restrictions that are variable and putting [ Indiscernible ] On -- to provide uniformity, you will see that throughout the MUTCD,
we are proposing a whole bunch of new signs and markings for the managed lanes and electronic toll collections facilities.
Now, some general changes to the Part 2 signs.
In order to provide additional uniformity, we are adding a whole bunch of new symbols in the MUTCD.
These symbols, they are based on the extensive research we have done here and as well as the successful international practice.
Some of these symbols are being used in Canada for a long time and they have very good track records, so you will see all along in our NPA that we are introducing any -- new symbols.
Similarly, you will see a whole bunch of new symbols for toll plaza signing as well.
When we talk about the proposal for the chapter 2 E, you will see the more details on this.
The recommendation that the size of letters on signs should be based on one inch of letter height per 30 feet of legibility distance is being revised to 1 inch by 30 feet in order for sign legibility to be based on 20/40 vision.
You probably know most of the states now allow drivers with 20/40 corrected vision to obtain driver's licenses.
And also this change is consistent with the older recommendations from older driver handbook and with the increasing number of older drivers,
the federal highway believes that 20/40 vision should be the basis of letter heights used on signs.
This change will generally not impact the design of guide signs because existing MUTCD provisions for guide sign letter heights provides sufficient legibility distances for 20/40 vision in most cases.
The sizes of some regulatory or warning signs used in some situations will need to be increased to meet this new criteria.
The option of using all upper-case letters for the names of places, streets or highways are being deleted and we are also adding a requirement that these names be composed of lower case letters with first upper case level.
The studies have shown that legibility and recognition distances are better for place names and destination when the first letter is upper case followed by the lower case letters.
We are adding a new section regarding the methods that can be used to enhance the conspicuity of standards, regulatory warning and guide signs to improve uniformity.
We noticed that a lot of agencies are trying different methods to improve the conspicuity.
So what we are doing with this MUTCD that we are proposing is allowing new options which can be used to enhance the conspicuity of standard signing.
The object markers have chapter 3 C and the barricade versions from section 3 F01, we are taking both sections and we are relocating to the part two and we have created a new chapter called chapter 2 L.
Object markers and barricades are typically from shading material, substrate and installed on the post, so they are actually more like signs and most of the agencies use them as signs rather than markings,
so to us it made sense to relocate those sections to part 2.
Now, let's talk about the chapter 2 B, regulatory signs.
A new sign size table is being added that requires larger minimum sizes for certain regulatory signs facing traffic on multi- traffic on multi-lane conventional roads.
Also, we are adding new recommendations regarding factors that should be considered when establishing the intersection control through the use of stop or yield sign.
Our objective here is to provide a more logical progression from the least restrictive to the more restrictive control.
New types of arrows being added that may be used on intersection lane control signs for approaches to roundabout and this change, this proposal will correspond with a similar in our marking section, part 3,
we are making the similar proposal and Scott Wainwright will talk about that a little bit in more detail detail.
New roundabout directional arrow sign and a new roundabout circulation sign are being added.
The use of roundabout has increased over the past ten years and it is important that more detailed information on effective regulatory signing of roundabouts be provided.
The new provisions regarding the use of one-way sign on roundabouts are B being added in con sis -- are being added in consistency for roundabouts.
We are deleting the use of 2-way, 3-way and 4-way plaques and the use of all-way plaques will be required if all approaches have stop signs.
The recommendation that the -- that a sign mounted back to back with a stop or yield sign should stay within the edges of the stop or yield sign is being clarified.
And we are also adding guidance which would say that the size of the stop or yield sign should be increased if necessary to accomplish this recommendation.
We are adding several new plaques that may be mounted with speed limit signs to indicate that a speed limit is applicable to the entire city, neighborhood or residential area unless otherwise posted.
It is often unnecessary and it's very costly for the public agencies to install the speed limit sign at every minor residential street.
A new no straight through symbol sign is being added.
The sign is useful at four-legged intersection where through movement is to be prohibited and the street or roadway does not have do not enter conditions.
We are also adding new regulations regarding the regulatory signs for lanes restricted to ETC or electronic toll collection only.
We are adding a new regulatory sign that designates the end of HOV lane restrictions restrictions.
We are adding a new section that will describe the regulatory sign at toll plazas and for managed lanes in order to provide consistency and uniformity in signing practice for these type of facilities.
As you know, the managed lanes and the electronic toll lanes are becoming increasingly common and the uniform signing is very important to improve the safety and operation.
A new section is being added regarding the use of regulatory signs for jug handles for several of the most common geometric jug handles.
They are being used in a number of states.
The purpose here is to provide consistency and uniformity.
A new narrow version of the keep existing symbolic keep right sign is being added to provide agencies with the flexibility to use this optional sign where there is insufficient lateral clearance for standards width keep right signs on the
narrow median nose.
As you can see the application in the picture shown in this screen.
A new option is being added that allows the lower mounting height for do not enter
and wrong way signs as a specific exception where a continuing study indicates that it would address wrong way movements at free way expressway entrance ramps.
Again, this has been tried in some states and has been proven very effective.
The existing recommendation that one-way signs be placed on the near right, far right and far right corners of each intersection of the directional roadways of divided highways is being revised to a requirement.
The existing option that allows agencies to omit the use of one-way signs as intersections with median of less than 30 feet is being revised to allow these signs to be written only on the medians,
so requiring them to install it at the outside corner of the intersection.
A new requirement is being added that two one-way signs, one near side and one far side, be installed for each approach to a one-way street at T-intersections or cross intersections.
We are adding a new requirement that divided highway crossing signs be installed on near right corner of intersection for all approaches to a divided highway, unless the divided highways has pretty low ADD,
lower than 400 vehicles per day and has a speed limit of 25 miles or lower.
We are adding a number of signs for the pay parking or pay stations for use.
When fee is charged for parking and a mid block pay station is used instead of individual parking meters.
Again, you see this more and more, public agencies are using these mid block pay stations.
Pedestrian push button signs that do not clearly indicate which crosswalk signal is actuated by each pedestrian detector are either being deleted or redesigned.
So they do identify a specific crosswalk.
The design of many of the pedestrian push button signs are being revised to include a standard symbol for push button that begins the push button message.
Design of the sign R10-15, the turning traffic must yield to pedestrians, now we are changing that sign to include a symbol sign so that the sign can be more -- improve the conspicuity of the sign.
Two new ramp metering regulatory signs are being added to provide uniformity in the ramp meter signing.
Now, revisions to the chapter 2 C warning signs.
We are deleting a number of word message signs because the corresponding symbol signs have been in use for more than 35 years and the word signs almost became obsolete.
The use of fluorescent yellow-green is being changed from an option to recommendation for warning signs associated with pedestrian, bicyclists and playground
and we are also adding a requirement of the use of the yellow-green background for the warning sign associated with school buses and school zones.
A new requirement is being added that minimum size of all diamond shaped warning signs facing traffic on multi-lane conventional roads shall be 36" by 36".
That again is based on the driver handbook recommendation.
We are adding a new table to define the required, recommended and optional horizontal alignment warning signs to be used for different situations and conditions.
This is one of the key safety recommendations and has been used consistently as a very effective safety measure.
So we thought that we need to provide a little bit more information on these type of signs.
We are also adding a new table to provide the spacing criteria for Chevron alignment signs.
A new combination horizontal alignment/advisory exit and ramp speed signs are being added for optional use, a ramp or exit is not referring to the drivers in their exit lanes
or where the [ Indiscernible ] Needs to be specifically identified as being on the ramp rather than on the main line.
We are adding the new warning signs on the free way ends and expressway ends so there are so many locations where the free way and expressway ends by changing to an uncontrolled access highway
and it is important to warn -- in those situations to warn drivers of the end of free way or expressway conditions.
All traffic must exit, we are adding this new warning sign where a driver must leave the free way or expressway on an exit ramp until the remainder of the express is being built or open to traffic.
A new symbol sign for the shoulder drop-off and also the two supplemental plaques are being added to warn road users are either low shoulder or uneven lanes.
A new symbol sign for the falling rocks and the educational plaque is being added to warn road users of possibility of rocks falling on to the roadways.
A new grooved payment sign and a new metal bridge deck sign is being added to warn motorcyclists of road surface conditions that would primarily affect them.
A new recommendation is being added that a reduced speed limit ahead sign ahead be used where the speed limit is being reduced by more than 10 miles per hour.
We are adding three new toll road plaques to provide consistency and uniformity for the signing on toll facilities.
A new combined bicycle, pedestrian sign and trail crossing supplemental plaque is being added to provide warning of a shared use path/crossing that is used by both bicyclists and pedestrians.
Several new symbol signs to warn drivers of possibility -- possible presence of large animals is being added to supplement the existing deer, cattle and equestrian signs.
And now Scott Wainwright will talk about chapter 2 D.
Thanks, Hari, and good morning or good afternoon.
We are going through chapter 2 D now which is guide signs for conventional roads.
We are adding some provisions for the use of pictographs on guide signs such as shown on this slide here.
The idea is to limit the size of these pictographs so that they don't overwhelm the message, the primary message of the sign and in the sign shown on the bottom,
the MU pictograph there actually exceeds the maximum size which would be the size of a route marker that would ordinarily be used on the guide sign.
Roundabouts, Hari already mentioned the regulatory signs for roundabouts have been proposed.
There's also proposals for designs of guide signs, destination signs for roundabouts and they also feature the optional use of those curved stem or fish hook type arrows, also complementing the pavement marking proposal.
When route marker assemblies are constructed like shown in this photo here with the auxiliary messages on a green background sign rather than being comprised of individual signs,
the proposal is to not use the scheme that's shown in the right-hand photo there.
In other words, instead of mounting the auxiliary signs directly on to the green background, the practice is to do as shown in the left-hand photo.
For toll facilities where there's a numbered route, such as in this case a U.S. 40, if that route is a toll facility, we now are adding this toll auxiliary plaque so that the public can be advised of the fact that it is a toll facility.
Similarly, if the facility is restricted to use only by vehicles with ETC, then this type of auxiliary sign would be used with the route marker.
We're not changing anything as far as the required letter heights for street name signs that are in the 2003 edition, but just to make it easier for agencies to discern what the requirements are, in this case recommendations,
we're proposing to add a table which kind of makes it clearer.
There is a provision in the existing manual that's been there for quite a long time that says that the background color of street name signs should be green and that's a should condition rather than a shall
and the reality is that all around the country, many, many local agencies are using all different colors for street name signs and, unfortunately, many of them provide poor contrast of the letters on the background.
So what we are proposing is to put wording into chapter 2 D concerning street name signs that would specifically limit the alternative backgrounds, the alternatives to green, it would be limited to blue, brown or black and the reason,
again, is for better uniformity of street name signs with good contrast.
What you see on the screen here right now in the current edition of the MUTCD is a recommendation, it's a guidance, but it's not required.
We are proposing to change this to a requirement that on multi-lane conventional road approaches to an interchange, guide signs shall be provided that identify the direction of the turn or the lane to use for each of the ramps.
We feel this is critical information and there's a lot of particularly older driver research that's shown this is extremely important to help drivers get into the correct lane before they actually reach the interchange.
You've probably seen a lot of these kinds of signs in many of the cities and local towns around the country.
They're a very popular thing to guide traffic to local destinations and points of interest within the community.
But there are, also, unfortunately, some very poor designs of these kinds of signs that are out there with unusual, hard to read fonts, poor choices of colors, not good contrast, small letters, that sort of thing.
So we are proposing to add provisions into the MUTCD that will allow for these kinds of signs using accepted principles of sign design,
but with enough flexibility in the design provisions that a community can put its own imprint on it and express its own identity, if you will.
Now we'll move into chapter 2 E, which is guide signs for free ways and expressways and the practice of using slanted down arrows on these overhead guidelines is going to be prohibited.
As you can see in the sign in the photo here, slanting the arrows creates, in many cases, a very confusing sign.
The landing of the arrow can imply to drivers -- the slanting of the arrow can imply to drivers movement out of the lane.
And some agencies have used these signs really just to save costs, to reduce the size of the sign instead of putting an individual arrow directly over the lane.
So the proposal is that in the -- in the next edition of the manual is those arrows would have to be vertical and centered over the approximate center of the lane that they apply to.
Left exits, as you know, are usually very unanticipated on free ways and expressways and the current recommendation for the use of these black and yellow left plaques with the exit numbers would be changed to a shall condition.
Diagramattic sign design is an issue that has turned up in the older driver research.
The current format of diagrammatic signs where the lanes are shown with these arrows are much too subtle, particularly when it cops to option lane exits and splits and things like that.
These signs, at best, convey a sense of directionality, which direction the ramp goes off, but being able to discern which lane goes in which direction from these little dotted lane lines is just not effective, the studies have shown.
So we are proposing for the next edition of the MUTCD that this new style of diagramattic sign be used for any option lane exits and splits and it features an up arrow over each lane.
Studies have shown this is much more effective, it provides a much longer decision sight distance for drivers and there's a much higher rate of comprehension on the part of drivers with this type of diagramattic sign.
The proposal to allow the use of an advisory speed legend as an addition to this exit direction sign when you've got a particularly low speed exit ramp, this would supplement, but not replace the normal post mounted advisory speed sign.
There's only seven states out of the 50 that are still using what's called the sequential exit numbering system as opposed to the mile post system, which is now called reference location system.
So we feel it is time for national uniformity on this issue.
We think that drivers have come to expect the mile post system of exit numbering and can be confused when they're in a state that's not using it.
So we are proposing that the exit numbering by mile post become the standard practice.
Also, when there's a suffixion the exit number, such as shown on these photos, is going to be proposing a requirement that the space between the number and the letter should be at least equal to one half of the letter height of the suffix.
The reason is as you can see on the photo on the right, the B suffix can look like an 8 from a distance and separating it from the 46 makes it more identifiable as a B rather than an 8.
Preferential lanes, you may have read about -- heard about the bus crash involving HOV lanes in Atlanta a while back and there was an investigation of the signing associated with HOV lanes and other preferential lanes
and FHWA put out a policy guidance memorandum as a result of that recommendation and basically the recommendations from that investigation would be incorporated into the MUTCD resulting in some revised designs
and some new types of designs for guide signs for preferential lanes.
And to continue, we've talked a lot about toll roads and ETC and the signing and so forth.
This shows you some of the signs that are proposed for toll plazas and open road ETC lanes.
And it does include these new symbols.
These are the signs that would go on the canopies on the toll plaza lanes to identify what type of payment is accepted in each of the lanes.
The symbols that are proposed here, very similar type symbols have been used by some of the toll authorities and they're also used extensively in Europe and in Asia.
So we are proposing them to be standardized.
The toll authorities are working on trying to come up with an interoperable, nationally interoperable system for electronic toll collections so that, for example, if you have an easy pass in your car,
if you were driving in Florida on a toll facility that uses sun pass, your easy pass would be accepted there.
You could use it to go through the toll plazas and conversely.
That's the idea, to have it eventually completely nationally interoperable, so you could use any E ETC -- ETC transponder.
There's going to be a need for a sign to identify which systems are nationally interoperable.
So we have developed this symbol sign for future use when it is needed.
And here's some more proposed new guide signs for managed lanes and for ETC-only toll facilities, to fulfill those needs.
Now we'll move into chapter 2 F, which is a new chapter on general service signs.
We have created this new chapter, taken the general service signs and put them into their own chapter rather than being combined with the specific service signs.
And so as you can see, these are some of the signs that are now in this -- proposed to be in this new chapter 2 F.
We're also proposing two new general service signs for telecommunication device for the deaf and wireless internet and two revised general service signs based on research.
And it hasn't quite taken off yet, but there are some states that are looking to implement the interstate oasis program, which is basically for truck stops and other similar type facilities that are off the interstate right of way,
but that can provide a certain level of services to the general public.
And so there's a proposal to add some specific signs, guide signs, for those kinds of facilities.
And these runaway truck ramp and truck escape ramp signs are proposed to go into the guide sign category, actually service sign category rather than being warning signs.
Now, here's the specific service signs.
The changes in this chapter, one of them is the allowable use of 12 logos on two signs for one particular service type.
It would still be the requirement that there be no more than six logo panels on any one sign and no more than four signs for any individual interchange approach.
Also, the allowable addition of supplemental messages for some of the logo panels for some of the kinds of things that are shown on the screen here.
Dual logo signs, this is not an -- not a way to increase the number of logos displayed on a full-up service sign, if you will, but it's specifically for when two businesses, either two gas facilities or two -- or one gas
and one food are both located in a common facility.
And when services are off of the cross road, in other words, you exit on to a cross road and then you have to turn off of that cross road on to another road to get to a particular service, trailblazer type signs be provided for that.
In chapter 2 H, which has to do with tourist-oriented directional signs, there are no significant revisions.
2 I is a new chapter on general information signs.
This is material for the items that are listed on the screen that would be relocated into this new chapter from 2 D and from 2 E.
Acknowledgement signs, this is to standardize and improve practices of signing for these kinds of signs, like adopt a highway.
And 2 J is recreational and cultural interest area signs, basically all of the park type symbols are being replaced with a new set of symbols based on the national park service's standards.
Emergency management signing, the only significant change there is the ability to use a fluorescent pink background when these kinds ever -- kinds of signs are used in an incident type of situation.
And Hari already mentioned that object markers and barricades would be moved to chapter 2 L out of chapter 3 and one new chapter within that -- one new section within that chapter 2 L would be specifically on traffic gates.
Traffic gates are used in more places other than just railroad crossings, they're used for a variety of purposes, so this chapter would describe all of the types of uses of traffic gates and the standards for them.
And lastly in the signing arena, chapter 2 M, the new chapter on changeable message signs.
Basically consolidating the existing information about CMS and adding a bunch of new information that's based on rather extensive research over the years by TTI
and other research organizations to improve the standards for changeable message signs.
All right.
We will now move into pavement markings and the first change I want to discuss there has to do with the lines, the lane lines that are used for acceleration lanes, deceleration lanes, auxiliary lanes and lane drops on arterials.
Instead of a broken, a regular, normal dash line, the proposal is to require instead a dotted lane line for those kinds of lanes that don't continue beyond the interchange or beyond the next intersection,
basically to provide more information to the driver that the lane is not a continuing lane.
Pavement markers are a good practice like shown in this photo around the nose of a median or a curb or an island and we're proposing some specific language to allow that.
Do not block intersection markings, not in the existing manual, but adding -- proposing to add provisions that will bring some more uniformity to the various practices that are being used for this around the country.
Changes proposed in the language about crosswalks across uncontrolled approaches, basically your mid block crosswalks
and the recommendation would be that they should not be used without other substantial measures against -- across uncontrolled roadways where these conditions exist, as you can read on the screen.
This is based on research by the university of North Carolina that they did for FHAWA that's been well accepted and good principles for mid block crosswalks.
These types of markings are being used to help guide drivers, horizontal signing is another word for this kind of marking and we're proposing to put it into the MUTCD for optional use.
Lane reduction markings would be changed from the way they're currently shown in the MUTCD to go to a dotted lane line, similar to a lane drop marking for a certain distance in advance of the lane reduction.
And arrows, lane reduction arrows, would be recommended for higher speeds.
There's also a provision to add these optional speed reduction markings, which basically give a visual impression of increasing speed.
They have been shown to reduce speeds somewhat, in some circumstances, but this would be another tool in the toolbox.
I mentioned the pavement -- Hari mentioned the pavement markings for toll booth are included and here's one of them.
This basically would allow the use of purple markings on the approach to an ETC only lane at a toll plaza.
The photo does show the reverse pattern of what we have proposed.
Instead of a purple line with white edges, we feel that the line itself, the lane line should be white as a normal lane line is, but then purple could be put along the edges to emphasize it as an ETC only lane.
We're proposing a whole new chapter on pavement markings for roundabouts, basically updating the practices to the current state-of-the-art and adding a whole bunch of 18 new figures illustrating various configurations of roundabouts,
from single lane, to two lane, and even three lane and interchanges.
Again, the type of markings that would be used in the circulating roadway would be designed so that you get into the proper lane before you enter the roundabout and then you should be able to go around the roundabout
and exit into the exiting lane that you want to go without changing lanes.
So again, we've got diagrams for three-lane roundabouts, even roundabouts at interchanges.
And the fish hook style arrow, if it's used on the signs, would also be used on the pavement markings.
Delineators, we're recommending that delineators be used with guard rails and any other longitudinal barriers along the roadway.
Basically a good delineation practice.
And this type of rib on delineation is increasingly being used for very sharp, very severe curvature situations where basically you put a group of delineators very closely spaced along the barrier to create almost a continuous ribbon.
And also provisions would be added concerning these detectable warning surfaces to mark the edges between pedestrian and vehicular areas.
And the use of pavement markings with longitudinal and transverse rumble strips.
The design and the criteria for using rumble strips themselves would not be included in the MUTCD.
They are not considered traffic control devices, but rather roadway features, but when pavement markings are used with the rumble strips, it's important that they be the correct color
and that's the type of information that would be going into the MUTCD.
Okay.
That concludes part three.
I'll now move into part four, which is traffic signals.
There are two proposed changes to the MUTCD in part four concerning signal warrants.
One of which has to do with a revision to the pedestrian volume warrant, which makes it more comparable to the vehicular volume warrants in that there would be a graph, actually the two different graphs for looking at vehicular volume
and the number of pedestrians crossing in order to determine whether signal is warranted under this warrant.
We proposed to add a new warrant 9 for intersections near grade crossings.
This would be used for locations where the other eight warrants are not satisfied, but yet you've got a grade crossing very close to an intersection and the issue is traffic, particularly trucks, backing up from the stop sign
and backing up across the tracks.
So this warrant would be used to potentially warrant a signal under those conditions.
We're proposing to require that 12" lenses be used for all new signals.
This is basically the de facto standard today in that most agencies are buying and installing only 12" signals and have been for many years.
The existing 8" lenses that are out there in the field today would be grandfathered and could remain for the remainder of their life.
For approaches with speeds over 40 miles an hour, studies have shown that there are certain design practices which definitely improve safety
and the types of things that we are proposing to put into the MUTCD as recommended practices for over 40 miles an hour include a signal face per through lane with a minimum of two located overhead on the far side with back plates
and supplemented with near-side and/or far-side pole-mounted signal faces.
Again, safety benefits is the reason and this would be for the higher speed approaches.
But we're also proposing that that kind of a signal design be considered also, even for speeds of 40 miles an hour or under.
Use of yellow retroreflective -- retroreflective borders on back plates is being proposed for addition.
Also based on research, proposing that signal faces with a circular green for a permissive left turn should not be located over or in front of left turn lane for new designs.
Again, research has shown that this produces the most number of driver errors of misinterpreting that green and meaning go, you have the right of way, when in reality you don't have the right of way, you have to yield to oncoming traffic.
We're proposing a number of new figures in part four that would show the typical positions of the signal faces and the typical arrangements of the lenses within those faces for all of the various modes of left turn
and right turn operation.
Basically a picture speaks a thousand words and sometimes it's hard to read through the MUTCD text and try to figure out what the signal design requirements or recommendations are for these different conditions.
So the figures will help with that.
We're also proposing to add as an option the use of flashing yellow arrow for permissive turns.
You may have read the extensive NCHRP research that showed that this is a very good practice and is very well understood by left turn drivers on permissive turns.
We're recommending that overhead lane-control signs should be used for certain signalized intersections where there's lane drops, multiple-lane turns, these types of unexpected lane use.
Proposing to change the meaning of the flashing orange hand, the flashing don't walk when a pedestrian countdown is present.
Basically, to confirm the way pedestrians actually operate and that is when the countdown is present, it is possible for a faster walking pedestrian to leave the curb after the orange hand starts flashing and get out of the street in time.
We are proposing that countdown pedestrian signals be required for all new pedestrian signals.
The reason is there has been significant research and studies, particularly by San Francisco, that has shown a definite reduction in pedestrian vehicle crashes, as well as all crashes where the countdowns are used.
It's definitely a safety benefit.
That's the basis for the new requirement.
We're also looking to get more consistency in the location of pedestrian push button.
Unfortunately, we see far too many cases where the push buttons are not conveniently located to the crosswalks.
And as Hari mentioned, the legends on the signs have to make it clear which crosswalk signal is activated by which push button.
This is a significant change in some respects and it's based on research that shows that the four feet per second walking speed that's been assumed for many years in calculating the pedestrian intervals is too fast.
There are far too many pedestrians who can't and don't walk that fast when they're crossing.
The proposal is to change that to 3.5 feet per second and there's also a requirement to check and go back six feet further, basically, up to the top of the curb ramp or to wherever the push button is located
and see if there's enough time for someone to cross from that location to the far side at 3 feet per second.
Basically to accommodate the even slower -- the people in wheelchairs and who are even slower.
There is an option to use a push button that is held down for two seconds or pushed in for two seconds to create an extended crossing time and if this feature is used,
then you can use a faster walking speed in calculating the pedestrian clearance time.
Probably in the interest of time, I'll skip over this, but this is an important point.
Many people don't understand the difference between pedestrian clearance time and pedestrian change interval and the fact that yellow and the all red can be used to satisfy that calculated time.
Anyway, I'm going to skip through these in the interest of time.
There is a proposal to add a new pedestrian hybrid signal which is based on the hawk signal which you may have heard of.
This is kind of a cross between a full signal and a beacon.
It's off, it's dark until the pedestrian comes up and pushes the button and then this goes through a sequence to stop traffic on the street and allow the pedestrian to cross.
And a similar type of hybrid signal for emergency vehicle, basically your fire station entrance kind of location.
Traffic signals are used at toll booths and there are proposed provisions to describe and govern the use of signals at toll plazas and lane use control signals at toll plazas as well.
And that concludes part four, so at this point we'll turn it over to Ken Wood to take you through the rest of the changes for part 6 through 10.
Okay.
Thanks, Scott.
Like Scott said, we will cover the rest of the manual here very briefly starting with part 6.
Some of the major changes in part 6, the first one is we're going to require all workers within the right of way of any public route to wear high-visibility garments.
High-visibility garments basically have to make the ANSI 107-2004 standard and be a class two or three garment.
It's going to apply to all roads, not just the federal aid system.
Also, it's recommended to be used for all on-scene responders, including news media personnel if they're within the right of way covering the scenes of an accident or whatever.
There is an option for law enforcement and first responder personnel to wear a different vest, it's a different class.
It's an ANSI public safety vest.
The number -- the standard number on that is 20 -- 204-2006, but it's basically very similar to the class two vest, but it has a few more options for them to use -- clip their microphones on and access to their weapons
and tear away features and things like that.
The automated flagger assist device, there's two different types, the stop/slow paddle and the red/yellow lens type.
There's been an interim approval out on these devices since 2003, I believe, yeah, 2003 it was issued.
There has not been a -- a lot of states are using them to some degree, some agencies are.
They're really not to replace a flagger, but to assist the flagger as the title implies.
There's guidance put in that a flagger shall use -- I guess it's a requirement.
The flagger shall use a stop paddle, flag or an automated flagger assist device, not just hand signals.
That was certainly implied before, but has never really been explicitly stated in the manual, so we have added that in there.
The paddles is a guidance statement, the stop/slow paddle should be placed on a rigid staff having a minimum height of 7 feet.
The 7-foot dimension basically is for better visibility, for -- if the first flagger has one vehicle stopped, the 7 feet should provide visibility over that first vehicle for approaching the second
and additional vehicles approaching the flagger.
This is a question we had, how long can flagger signs be left up with no activities?
We made an interpretation a couple of years ago that the flagger warning signs may remain displayed for 15 minutes when nobody is there when flagging operations are not occurring.
That basically allows for the flagger to take a break, I guess, but anything over that, the flagger -- anything over 15 minutes, those signs should be taken down.
There's -- you know, there's a lot of credibility issues with seeing flags -- or flagger signs or flagger ahead signs and no activity going on, so to maintain credibility of the signs, they need to be removed when they're not applicable.
New speed limit and work zone plaques have been added.
Most agencies are using some form of reduced speed in work zones at this point.
So we're adding the work zone plaque that can be installed over the speed limit sign to show the speed in work zone.
Those signs can be used in conjunction with the speed limit sign.
Uneven lanes or shoulder drop-off signs, the similar balance sign -- the symbol sign is being adopted and should be used in conjunction with the shoulder drop off or uneven lanes signs.
We're incorporating that into part 6 as well.
A new pattern for -- on arrow panels for a caution mode.
It's called the alternating diamond caution mode and basically it will just light up a diamond on the left and then on the right.
Some states have called it the dancing diamonds, also.
Utah DOT did a lot of experimenting with this and found the results were very positive, people did understand it, it didn't confuse people.
So we're just using it as a caution mode, again, shoulder closures and that type of thing.
The statement the drums shall not be weighted with sand, water or other materials.
Basically you can still perimeter weight the drums at the base, but don't fill them with anything else in case they are struck, that makes them very hazardous to -- as they go flying through the work area.
Temporary raised pavement markers in temporary traffic control zones, there's basically been a revision to parts -- all of the temporary markings sections and if you have interests or questions on the temporary markings,
you should probably read the proposed changes, but one of the proposed changes is increased use of temporary raised pavement markers and there's an opportunity to use less expensive markers and less expensive pat en for temporary markers.
Proposing to delete some items on the control devices.
We don't think these are bad things, we think they're great things to use, but we don't believe that they are traffic control device, therefore, we don't think it's appropriate to have standards and guidance in the manual for them.
Steady burn electric lamps, there is still going to be a steady burn lamp in there, but whether it's electric or battery operated we didn't feel really needed to have that differentiation there, so we left steady burn lamps in,
but not the electric part.
Flood lights, crash cushions, vehicle arresting systems and glare screens, we certainly agreed that there's a lot of places where these are need and they are good to -- good things to use, but they're not traffic control devices.
So we're proposing to take those out.
There's a statement requiring premotion of temporary -- preemption of temporary traffic control signals.
If the two systems are working together, the motorist should get a track clearance green and be able to clear the tracks prior to the arrival of the train.
Black and orange rumble strips are now acceptable colors for use in temporary traffic control zones.
There was a prior statement in there that you could use temporary -- you could use temporary rumble strips, but they had to match the color of the pavement.
Kansas did a lot of research using the orange rumble strips and found they were effective, also, so we're allowing that color in the manual.
A statement is being put in about temporary traffic control plans should be developed for all planned special events.
There's been some very serious crashes occur during planned special events, farmers markets, where possibly it wasn't thought out or planned properly.
We're adding a guidance in there that all planned special events should have a preapproved traffic control plan.
There are changes to the typical applications, and we won't go through them all, but the first one is kind of trying to define what a tipple Cal application -- typical application is.
We had questions on that and basically we're saying the typical applications are guidance, they're should kind of conditions.
There are standards in the notes and those obviously are standards and they have the shall condition in them, but in general, the TAs should be considered as guidance.
And there are some changes, I won't go through what they all are.
One of the major changes deals with freeway lane closures.
We are going to require, suggest requiring an arrow panel on all freeway lane closures.
So if you're closing a lane on an interstate or free way, you need to have an arrow panel.
If you're closing more than one lane, you should have one arrow panel per lane that is being closed.
Moving into part 7, traffic control for school air I areas.
Huh -- areas.
Hari mentioned this earlier, the fluorescent yellow-green color is going to be required for all warnings for all school zones, school bus stop ahead, school crossing signs, school speed limit signs, they shall be fluorescent yellow-green.
I think that he is a ten- there's a 10-year compliance period on this and it's a 10-year compliance period, so there will be time to make that adjustment on those.
School children may be used on these in-street signs at school crossings, rather than just having the pedestrian symbol there, the symbol has been altered to allow the school children symbol to be used at a school crossing.
Provisions are being made and guidance was put in for the use of overhead pedestrian crossing signs used in unsignalized school crossings to kind of enhance the visibility of the school crossings and improve the safety.
The new symbol sign is being proposed to replace the school bus stop ahead sign.
This is -- the symbol has been used in, I believe, Canada for a number of years, 35 years or so, and West Virginia also has experimented with it with good results, so we are approving that symbol to be used as a warning sign.
And the last one on the part 7 is the end of the school speed zone shall be marked with an end school zone sign.
In past editions, you could either use a resume -- or just your normal speed sign here to end the zone, but we are making the positive step, I guess, of kind of requiring the end school speed zone sign to be put in.
Okay.
We'll go on, we'll cover part 9 next and then we'll do 8 and 10 together.
Part 9 is traffic controls for bicycle facilities.
There's some changes made on the lateral offset and minimum height requirements for traffic control devices on the shared paths.
The new guidance says that laterally they should be no less than two feet off the edge of the path and no less than 8 feet above the path.
That's the minimum requirements in that.
Two new bicycle push button signs have been put in the manual.
They're basically just to tell the bicyclist that they do need to push the -- to activate the walk and get a green light for the crossing the street.
The new bicycle route signs, this one is -- the one on the left is the current sign and it's going to be left in the manual, but there's an alternate being put in and it's -- the sign is -- I'm not sure what the number was.
It's an N1-8.
The one on the right is now the N1-8 A and the major difference is it does leave room at the top of the sign for a pictograph for the agency that has jurisdiction over the bike route or any other thing, a pictograph
or words that would -- the agency would want to put up there.
Bike symbol route sign is being revised to put the -- kind of put the emphasis that it is a bike route, so the bike symbol is on top and the route number is on the bottom.
This is the recommended design.
I'm having trouble advancing the slides.
Okay.
I guess that did it.
See if you can do it on this end.
Pardon?
We'll see if we could advance it on our end, but it looks like we got it now.
Go ahead, Ken.
Sorry about that.
I'm trying to go back one more, but maybe we'll skip that one.
This one, there are some new guide signs for mode-specific used on trails.
The skater, in-line skater or regular skater, the horse rider, pedestrian, bicyclist, they're all some new guide signs for those.
New sign to inform the motorists that the lane is narrow for bicyclists and motorists to operate side by side, so a sign being put up that kind of alerts motorists that a bicyclist may use the full lane
and alerts the bicyclist that they may, also.
A new shared lane pavement marking symbol has been incorporated into part 9, also.
The purpose is to reduce the number and severity of bicycle, vehicular crashes, particularly crashes involving bicycles colliding with suddenly opened doors of parked vehicles.
So if you're parked here and you see the symbol, you'll realize that bicyclists may be coming right alongside.
Now we'll go to part 8 and 10.
Part 8 is traffic control for highway-rail grade crossings and part 10 is for the same, basically, except light rail.
First change is that stop or yield signs shall be posted at all passive grade crossings.
There's conditions where you would use the yield and conditions for where you would -- the stop would be required.
There's a five-year compliance period on this, but basically if you have a passive crossing, no active devices, you will be -- they will be required to have a stop or yield sign located below them.
Red lettering is going to be allowed on the cross buck signs.
This would be to improve the visibility at night.
Particularly you would be able to see -- red reflective signs would be better legibility on those.
This is a requirement -- supplemental plaque describing the type of traffic control shall be used with the advance warning signs, so if you have a active devices with the signal,
you would have to put the signal head plaque underneath it and if it's a passive crossing, you would use the no signal plaque underneath the advanced warning sign.
There's a five-year compliance period on that.
New provisions for the emergency notification sign.
These are small signs posted somewhere around the crossing in case there is a problem with the crossing, somebody is stuck on the crossing or if the devices are not activating or something, there's malfunctioning,
you can report that to the -- basically this number is for the rail, railroad company that maintains the crossing.
Look signs, I believe are in the 2003 manual and there's this -- the 2000 -- the next edition, there's the revision to be made that will allow this sign to be put somewhere near the cross -- or near the -- on a separate post, I guess,
not necessarily on the cross buck sign, but on a separate post.
Cross buck is getting rather busy with a lot of other signs that can be posted on that, so we'll allow this one to be put someplace in the vicinity.
A requirement that stop lines shall be installed on paved roadways at crossings controlled by active devices, that's a new requirement that's going on -- that will be inserted into the 2009 manual.
And another change, the stripes on the gate arm shall be vertical.
If you remember what they are now, they're at 45 degrees, much like striping on a barricade or other channelizing devices.
Some -- there is some thought that having the stripe kind of tends to make people think that they can drive around the gates, so the change -- the thinking is to go to a vertical striping on this to improve that situation.
There is a ten-year compliance period proposed for this change, also.
Then there's a new chapter for path way-rail grade crossings.
We're getting more shared use paths and where they do cross, the active crossing or active railroad, there needs to be guidance on what type of devices need to be put up for those shared use paths.
So there's a new chapter being proposed for part 8 in that.
Okay.
Part 10, there's only one major change and part ten deals with light rail crossings and basically it says light rail signals are used, they shall be as shown in the MUTCD.
The current manual shows different examples of things that could be used and we believe at this point it's time to standardize on some operations, make them uniform.
So we are requiring that if they're being used, they shall be as shown in this diagram in the manual.
With that, I believe that's the last one.
End of the presentation.
I think we'll answer questions now; is that right, Hari?
Yes.
Thank you, Ken and if you have any questions, please, you can type those questions on the left side of your screen, there's a little box for typing questions.
We have some questions, let's just go through what we have.
Okay.
There is a question on there, are there new branding guidelines?
I'm not sure what the branding -- what you are referencing there.
If you can give us a little more detail.
What do you mean by branding guidelines?
The next question, what is the proposed walking speed requirement for senior citizens in design of flashing don't walk?
Not specifically for senior citizens, but basically the -- instead of 4.0 feet per second, which has been the standard for many years, it's being changed to 3.5,
but there's always been the provision that you can use -- you can assume a slower walking speed if your engineering study or your engineering investigation finds that you have a predominant population of slower walking pedestrians.
So there's nothing that prevents using a slower speed if you have a crosswalk, for example, at a elderly housing facility or something like that.
For you, Scott, again.
Why is the RPM not considered a traffic control device?
Well, the RPM is the traffic control device.
Perhaps you're referring to the slide kind of at the beginning of the presentation that showed that blue RPM, which is used to mark the location of a fire hydrant.
That type of RPM is not considered to be a traffic control device because, basically, it's a -- it's not communicating to the general public, it's only communicating to the fire personnel that know what it means.
There's no requirement for a regular driver to know what that means.
At left turn signals, is the optional use of a red ball being eliminated?
Yes.
That is in the proposals.
Obviously we didn't -- we couldn't cover every -- every proposed change, but that is one of them H-right now there -- them.
Right now there is an option -- this is for protected only left turns where you use a separate signal head for the left turn.
Current MUTCD allows either the red arrow or the red ball.
The majority of states are using red arrows now and studies have shown for older drivers, actually, they have a better understanding of what the red arrow means in that case than a red ball.
So that's the reason for standardizing on the red arrow.
Okay.
And, also, I just want to let you know that the way this webinar is set up, if you have any questions, you will have to type it in the box.
We don't have the option of opening the phone lines for questions.
So, again, we have some more questions.
Okay.
There was a quick question, the -- is it possible to have the presentation, copy of the presentation?
Jennifer.
Excuse me.
The presentation actually is available -- excuse me.
I swallowed something wrong.
It is available for down load.
The lower right box on your screen, there's directions above it on how to down load it.
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If you click on the presentation, you can down load to your computer and it will also be posted to the NTOC website in the next day or so and I'll send out an e-mail when it becomes available.
Will there be any type of standard for red light running signs?
I think there is a symbol sign for the -- showing the camera.
We didn't cover that, but there is a standard symbol sign we are proposing.
Photo enforce.
Photo enforce, exactly.
Let's see.
Let me go from the top again.
We are using larger signs on multi-lane roads, but wouldn't we be better using the dual signs of the conventional size rather than larger signs on one side?
Well, the reason for the larger size in most cases relates to the letter side.
Remember, we talked about the 20/40 vision and basically that requires larger letters, so many of the warning signs have letter sizes on them that are too small and the only way to address that is to make the overall sign size bigger.
You can't always -- you always have the option of putting a second sign -- a duplicate sign in if you want to for extra emphasis.
The question is, I assume Florida will still be able to use their separate toll road shield.
I think you are commenting on the sign which shows the sun pass logo.
You want to comment on that?
No.
I think the question has to do with the fact that Florida has designed their own unique toll road route marker where the word toll is incorporated into the Florida route shield kind of thing.
It is -- I'm familiar with that and the answer to the question is technically no.
I mean the reality is that practice by Florida doesn't quite meet the uniform standards that we've proposed.
I would encourage Florida to submit a comment to the docket if you have some evidence that that design is superior to the standard design that we've proposed.
The question I'm not sure what it deals with, but it says can this be used for toll lanes without toll booths?
I'm not sure what you're --
That question came up when Scott was talking about the pavement markings, I believe.
So --
Yes.
Yes.
As long as it's an ETC only lane, that's the thing.
The purple markings are only for lanes that are restricted and can -- that can only be used by ETC vehicles.
In other words, an open road toll lane or a lane at a toll plaza.
I think it's more of a comment than question.
The left turn marking on the left lane of multi-lane roundabout could be confusing for some drivers that can understand they can make a left at roundabout.
That's the purpose of the so-called fish hook style arrow.
That's the reason that fish hook arrow was developed is because there had been concerns that a standard left turn arrow in that lane might encourage somebody to turn left in front of the circle rather than going around it.
There have been recent studies that have kind of discounted that problem and have found that it may not be as much of a problem as people had thought it would be,
but we're still proposing to put the fish hook arrows in to let agencies decide to use it if they want to.
The question is are there new branding guidelines and I think there is the -- there is the follow up, branding relating to road logo insignia.
Still not clear.
Yeah, okay.
So if you can just --
Give an example of what you're talking about.
And then we'll be able to answer that question.
Is the red ball being replaced by red arrow for protected left turn only?
How about protected right turn?
Already answered that for the left turn.
For right turn, no.
And the reason is that the defined meaning of a red right turn arrow in the uniform vehicle code and in the state laws of most states is that right turn on red arrow is prohibited.
And the red ball could be used where you have a separate right turn signal, but you want to allow right turn on red.
Regarding the proposed new meaning for the flashing walk allowing pedestrians to cross, how will this be resolved when it conflicts with the state law?
For example, in California the vehicle code does not allow the pedestrian to begin crossing during the flashing don't walk symbol?
The simple answer is it will take time, but this proposal to change the meaning in the MUTCD will be handled concurrently with a proposal to change the uniform vehicle code.
When the uniform vehicle code meaning gets changed, then it will be up to the individual states to pursue legislation to change their own individual state laws.
It will take time just like any other change in the UVC.
Where can I find the complete wording for the proposed changes in the MUTCD?
Are they posted on an internet address?
Of course they are.
If you go to our MUTCD website, it's MUTCD.FHWA.DOT.gov.
Again, it's mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov.
If you go to that website, it's right on the front screen, you will see the MUTCD NPA and what we have, we have the word document which shows the proposed changes and we also have the different document that shows all the figures
and the tables.
So you will find all of that information and, also, how you can submit the comments to the docket.
So please go to that website and look at those documents.
Also, at that same place, be sure you look at the actual federal register notice itself because it's the federal register notice that actually describes the reasons, the justifications for all of the proposed changes
and it even has links to the research reports that are behind many of the changes.
Okay.
Let's see.
For slide number 177, what is the MUTCD code for this sign?
I will have to go to that slide.
I'll do it.
I think we are running out of time.
But if you have any questions --
You should be able to find it on the MUTCD website.
Exactly.
All right.
I think I covered all of the questions we have on -- okay.
The last question, I think the California MUTCD will just stay the same as it is now?
Well, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that question, but after the -- okay.
All right.
You want to follow?
Yeah.
I mean basically, you know, that's -- I think it's a follow-up to the question about the meaning of the flashing don't walk and again, when the FHWA puts out the final rule for the 2009 manual,
each state will then have two years to adopt that new manual and so that will apply to California as well.
California will have to adopt the changes that come -- that are in our final rule and will have two years to do that.
I think if I understand correctly, the California are not going to have their own MUTCD?
I think that's the -- as I understand it.
I might be wrong, but I think they're not going to have their own MUTCD and they will just adopt the federal MUTCD with their supplement.
Again, you will have to check with the Cal tran on that or the California traffic -- committee on the traffic control devices.
And they can give you more information.
The last question we have, can yellow time be included to the flash don't walk time?
That's -- those were the slides that I skipped over in the interest of time.
Let me see if I can explain it to you.
[ Laughter ]
When you calculate out how much time you need for the crossing, for example, you need 30 seconds, you calculated that for the width of the street based 307B .5 feet per -- 3.5 feet per second, shall we say
and let's say that comes out to be 30 seconds.
You can set the flashing don't walk time on your controller for 30 seconds and you will get 30 seconds of flashing don't walk and it will end when the yellow comes on.
You don't have to do that.
You can assume that the four seconds, shall we say, of yellow can be used to partially satisfy that 30 seconds and if you do that, you would then set your flashing don't walk at 26 seconds,
but the 26 seconds of flashing don't walk plus the four seconds of yellow would then satisfy the 30 seconds of crossing time that you calculated.
Can do that.
Thanks, Scott.
Can you explain one more time where people can get the copy of this presentation?
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Thank you so much.
I think that concludes our presentation and we don't have any more questions.
Thank you all.
I was just going to give a quick close out, just a little more information about the NTOC, actually.
These last few slides here.
The national transportation operations coalition is comprised of these member organizations and if you go to, again, I'll put in the website right now, the NTOC website, you can find out more about these organizations.
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There are a few coming up in June and July about travel demand management and you can register for those, as well as the recordings and the slides from previous web casts.
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