Thank you and hello and welcome to the talking operations conference on Managing Travel Demand to Mitigate Congestion: Part I – Pricing and Institutional Strategies to Manage Demand. My name is Jennifer Symoun and I'm going to give a brief introduction before turning the section over to Deepak Gopalakrishna, who will be moderating today's seminar. Please be advised that today's seminar is being recorded. This will last about an hour and 45 minutes and the final 30 minutes for audience question and answer. During the presentations if you think of a question, if you can type it into the smaller text box into the chat area on the lower left side of the screen. Indicate who your question is directed towards unless it is directed towards all presenters. Make sure you send your question to everyone. The presenters will be able to answer all of your questions during the presentation. There may be a few times during the seminar when the presenters ask questions of the audience. Please type your answer into the chat box. The file contained in the audio and video seminar will be be on the website within the next -- I encourage you to direct others in the office who may have not been able to attend this conference to listen to this. Web links is also available for down load. Please follow the instructions above the box to down load the files. The power points will be available within the next week. Attendees will be available of the availability of the recording, power points and closed captioning of this seminar. Deepak is a research scientist. He is a deputy program manager under contracts for the federal highways administration office of operations. He was one of the key contributors on the managing demands to travel information services publications which provided some of the content for this workshop series. He is particulate of the national evaluation team for the urban development association. I will now turn things over to Deepak. Thank you, Jennifer for organizing the seminar and the intro deduction and she has been extremely useful in coordinating these seminars. Thank you all. I would like to start off with a to the affiliations we have in the audience today. Jennifer, can you open up the phones? This poll should be showing on everybody's screens right now. Select the organization that meets your needs. Click on the circle button and that's it. Jennifer, maybe a couple more minutes. Sure, maybe we can leave this up if you want to start up talking. We can leave this up and give people more time to respond. That's a good idea. Again, thank you all for coming. This series is called managing travel demands to mitigate transportation. It is primarily intended to share the results of our thorough highway scan to Europe -- summer of ' 05 and went to several places in netter lands region and the United Kingdom. We are intending to share some of the findings and approaches that they were observing in Europe. Are you on the right side now? Yes, the first of which is today. It talks about findings from Europe on the pricing and institutional prices to manage travel demands on June 26th the same time we have two more sections of strategies under infrastructure and operational areas and the last on July 10th we have an entire session devoted to what I think is one of the key findings of this is the notion of integration of all these strategy, performance. Get ready for these two seminars. The information should be on the website. We have two speakers today who were part of the scanning study, the summer of ' 05 we had representatives from several state DOTs, Sweden, Jordan and London. The report for this scanning tour is available for this international highway website. A few introductory remarks before I turn the stage over to Eric and grant. The need for demand I think is pretty obvious to all of you. I think actual the growth and travel demand is far out dating our ability to accommodate to increasingly capacity the supply. This is normally confined to our major metropolitan area so does the cost of congestion continue to increase. In this context managing travel demand defining it is really about providing travel choices, not just in more choice but in world location, route, time of travel and in the broad EST sense, management is giving them choices through liability. An important finding from Europe was the markets and applications. They have been significantly broadened to just the use to different travel markets for schools, leaders to different application settings. It is not an exact list of settings but you will see that demand management is now being applied to a wide generators and gee graphic settings and as we go through these these. As a way of travel demand management with this traffic management, there was a Dutch model which was adapted for these web NARA version CDs. If you look at the figures, there is travel demand to the far left. That feeds into more destination choice which then results in traffic demands. Several strategies you might apply are travel information, pricing systems, all those address different aspects of transport, traffic and demands. Some of these strategies are pure Lee traffic management. Some of them are purely demand management and some of them are a combination. This is the constant framework that the Dutch follow that was for the scanning report. Some of the key lessons learned and there will be more lessons as we go through the individual sections of the webinar, one of the ways it is evolving is the demand management and traffic management. One of the key findings that is has been been integrated into finding this in a much more cohesive demand integrating it into the planning, management and operation. With that, I will not take up more time. I want to introduce the speakers today. We have Eric Schreffler who is an independent consultant from San Diego. He reviews traffic and improved air traffic quality. He has performed work for major US corporations including work in netter lands, UK, Germany. , transportation engineers. Please welcome Eric as he talks about the first module of pricing and institutional strategies to manage demand. Thank you very much. I was -- first of all, I'm very impressed with the range of folks that we have calling in today. We didn't really go over the poll but we really have a great cross-section of folks from state DOTs, from MPOs, consulting firms, people that operate demand, management programs, people that are involved in the policy. And so it is a very, very exciting group. We have been doing these workshops around the US to audiences of 30 to 40 people which is about the right size to have a dialogue. It is great to see that the word is getting broader and I thank you all for spending your time with us today and I hope many of you can join us for the next two modules. Before I actually move ahead, I wanted to reinforce something that Deepak said about the concept wall framework about traffic management and demand management. To under score it. A lot of us have a lot of confusion we were using those two terms interchangeably. Traffic management and travel management. The Dutch helped us understand the difference. Travel demand is attempting to influence travel before using a private vehicle. Once the decision is made to use a private vehicle then you are talking about traffic demand. Travel demand management also affects weather traffic people and what mode they use of whether they are going to use a private automobile or use alternative mode. For our scanning group of DOT, federal and MPO folks, that was a real AHA moment where we sort of understood about the key differences between those two concepts and how they lead us towards different solution strategy as you saw on the right-hand side of that box. Today we will be talking about both pricing strategies and then grant will talk about institutional facilitate at this strategies. I will start out on the pricing side. We are talking about pricing and institutional strategies related to demand management and we will be talking about infrastructure operational in the next seminar next week and finally integration which really is the key to the whole thing of how you bring all the pieces together to create an integrated approach both on the planning end and on the operational end. So to talk about pricing and financial strategies. Before we get into this, we would like to do another poll. This poll will be up in the chat box on the left-hand side. The question is what makes up the cost of driving? So if you want to take a second and put in what are the components of the cost of driving? What makes up the cost of driving? I would be really interested to see what folks feel about. What makes up the cost of driving? What are the cost components of driving? If anybody wants to type in some responses and then we will talk a little bit about what the cost of driving really is all about. We have some responses time is a definite cost. The cost of technology, fuel, obviously is a big concern here. There are some environmental costs. Parking as a cost often forgot about in terms of keeping up the infrastructure. These are some great -- opportunity costs. Offset opportunity costs. Let me move to the next slide and this is something from the Victoria transportation institute where these guys put together of what the full cost of driving is all about. When they think about driving we think about the variable cost of fuel or even more fixed costs of the ownership of the vehicle but the full cost of driving a vehicle has many, many more components than just the cost of the vehicle itself, fuel. We have noted that one of the largest costs somewhat early on talked about travel time on a cost per vehicle mile the travel time which is often the opportunity cost is a very big component. But again parking, there is a cost to society which is when you start to get into some of these red dish or cost, there is a cost of society of having to provide for the vehicle in parking. Some of you know that half of the land in most major downtown areas is made up of streets and parking. Half of the available land goes towards a vehicle. There is also cost of safety of accidents. There is cost of the opportunity of land use, noise, air pollution. You guys were very, very good at picking up a lot of these costs. We often don't think about the full cost of driving, not just to us as travelers but to society as well. This was a useful graphic and useful exercise to help us realize the broad range of cost components. To move to pricing, there is a lot of interest in Europe, now in the United States with the urban partnership agreements of pricing. In Europe, we went over there and we looked at a number of examples of pricing and the two we will talk about today is London and stock home. There is also a relatively less well known example in Rome. If you want to learn more about, I will ask that you return for the next couple sessions because we use it at a key to integration and also that Rome. We will spend a little bit of time this morning and afternoon talking about London and Stockholm. Stockholm to me is sort of the interesting story. We will spend a little more time there. First London, many of you know are aware of the London congestion charging fees. There is a cordon around the center of London and now the west end of London. It was implemented in February of 2003, quite controversial at the time. It was the election promise of the incoming mayor who said I will solve traffic problems but you have to let me try pricing. It involves cameras, a photo of your license plate is taken as you enter the zone and you are expected to pay the charge within 24 hours. It is currently 8 pounds a day. That is about $16 a day to enter central London with a private vehicle. In the first four years of operation, the pricing scheme is responsible for 21% reduction in cars entering the zone. 30% reduction in average delay, traffic was moving at less than 10 miles an hour in central London, increased speeds for all vehicles including transit vehicles. Number of peak period trips made by public transport is is now 8 out of 10 peak period trips are made by peak public transport the revenue is largely used to improve the bus system into London, new vehicles, new routes, new service. It generates about $240 million in net revenue. That has changed a little bit. London is a famous example of a charging scheme. I want to spend a little more time on Stockholm because it is a little bit less well known perhaps. It is a little bit newer and the story of Stockholm that is of interest is why they were able to implement charging where many areas have not been able to and the shift in public opinion. So in Stockholm, the Stockholm trial was mandated by the national government. The City of Stockholm and the local transportation folks did not want pricing because they knew how unpopular it would be but the national government said you are do pricing to help address the environmental issues particularly air issues. They decided to do it as a trial between January and July of 2006 they implemented congestion charging. One of the things they did was three months prior to the institution of pricing, they radical Lee expanded their suburban bus system. They put suburban park and ride lots around the map that you see. They put in high frequency so-called one seat service where people could go from these suburban lots to the center of Stockholm and they put that into place three months before the charging started so people had an alternative and a I can't believe alternative prior to having the charge. Then there was a referred dumb, people in the city and county of Stockholm were able to vote on whether they wanted to keep pricing or they wanted it to go away . They did pass it. The congestion charge in Stockholm has become permanent . Stockholm is a cordon system. As you enter, a sign says this is what the current price is. You are entering a toll station and again the cameras take a picture of your license plate and that is used to create the charge. The average charge is about $4.25, substantially less than the London charging scheme and they mainly use cameras. The only things the transponders are used for are to identify the vehicle and for some payment. The actual identification of vehicles for the purposes of enforcement is done purely through the cameras. One thing that delayed Stockholm was -- the decision was made by Sweden Supreme Court that it was a tax. It was not a toll. It was actually a tax so it was a tax decision by entering central Stockholm you are make ago decision to pay a tax. It is all done through the equivalent of their internal revenue system which ads the layers of complex tee that the planners did not want to deal with. It generates about $100 million in revenue, again most of it going toward public transit improvements. A few other items as well. This graphic shows you traffic coming in and out of the congestion charging zone. It is a little hard to see. I will tell you that the yellow line at the top was traffic levels the year before in 2005. Then all the bars in this show traffic levels after of the implementation of the charge on the second of January of 2006. You can see how immediately traffic dropped with the imposition of the congestion charge and so for the entire period of January through July, traffic stayed significantly lower than in the year before. There was a dip in the middle of July as part of their national holidays but then on the end of July when the charge came back, within a week the traffic levels were back up again to the levels from the year before. This is a way to show that charging works. It works immediately and when you take the charge away, people go back to their old behaviors. So again, there was about a 22% reduction in cars entering and exiting the charging zone. When looking at the objectives that they put together, they had four objectives in this overall trial. The first was to reduce traffic volumes by 10 to 15%. They realized a reduction higher than that of 20 to 25%. They wanted to increase average speeds in the area and travel times were reduced by 30 to 50% except for one road that was exempted for political reasons. That road wasn't charged and everybody switched over to that road to try to get a free ride but delays increased dramatically. To me one of the more interesting findings is the reduction of pollution. The key criteria there was carbon dioxide and there was a 14% reduction of that in the city's center but there was a 2.5% reduction of CO2 in the entire region. It did have a region that will impact on the air quality. They looked just a couple of key issues involved in pricing. Of course political and public acceptance is the key to pricing. The London charge was a campaign promise to fix public transport and that's how the mayor got elected and was able to get reelected by expanding the charge to the west end. There was a lot of people who didn't like the charge but he was reelected twice. Stockholm was legislative mandate where the national government said we need to clean up the air and locals are going to do this and Rome which you will hear later was driven by historic preservation. One graphic is public opinion from Stockholm. They had a panel survey as part of they're valuation. They tracked people's behavior and opinion over time. There was a flip flop of opinion where the majority of folks thought it was a bad idea prior to implementation of the charge but after the charge was in place and they saw what happened to traffic, public opinion shifted toward more people being in favor or at least half the people being in favor and that's what led to the referendum so folks could realize the result to make the charge permanent. The other issue is payment has to be easy. The whole point of cameras or transponders was that people don't have to stop at tollbooths. The majority of people have a bank account where the charge is taken out of their bank account. In both Stockholm and London you can go to a convenience store 7-11s are a place you can go pay on a one time basis for your charge and indeed, in London and Stockholm you can also pick up a transponder and a service agreement at a 7-11 store. They used existing convenience outlets so ease of payment is really important. They have made a few changes. In London you can pay a day later. Instead of 8 pounds you pay 10 pounds if you want to delay it by a day. The use of the revenue again the systems ten to recoup the pricing cost in just a few years. London generates $420 million of which 180 to operate it. One thing I will mention about London in terms of use of the revenue which I think is quite -- the new mayor of London is a huge bicycle advocate and someone told me the other day since the charge went into place the use of bicycling has gone up over 100%. He wants to dedicate more of the congestion charging revenue toward bicycle infrastructure in central London. The other thing that London is doing for those of us who have been around a long time they have implemented traditional employer based car-pooling and TDM programs which they didn't have too much before and they are using congestion charging revenues for that employer based PDM. In Germany we looked at truck telling. The entire German auto bond system is covered by a mileage based truck toll. The reason they put that into place is a lot of goods are manufactured in the east and they are shipped to ports in the west and most of those trucks go through Germany and central Europe. Very little freight goes by rail in Europe. Germany imposed truck tolls and those tolls were generated $3.5 billion in the first year that go back toward maintenance of their highway system. The majority of those are paid for by a preexisting account through an on board unit. Again like with the congestion charging with some home and London, a truck driver can pay at a KIOSK. You can pay a one time basis if you need to. One of the interesting impacts in terms of the mode choice which we don't think of on the passenger side. 15% fewer trucks were coming back empty. These truckers were finding loads in the west to take materials back to the east and there was a 7% switch of goods from a truck to rail. So this is a good movement example of pricing and demand management. The other thing other than pricing that we have a lot more strains on the US is using financial incentives as opposed to disincentives. We into the states use a lot of subsidies. Cash incentives. They are starting to use them more and more in Europe. In am story damn the key freeway system in AMSTERDAM has been reconstructed. They put into place a comprehensive program to provide a free transit pass they provided individualized travel advice. Travel information, traffic on key major intersections, real time information, provided shuttles from employment sites to nearby employer locations and allowed free use of bikes at the rail stations. During the reconstruction project, transit shares increased from 23 to 42% and car use went from 61% down to 42. One interesting thing of the evaluation of these highway reconstruction mitigation projects and the use of TDM use of the rail system by employees continues to be higher after the reconstructed road opened than before. Even though the road was improved and travel times were improved, people then switched to rail, liked it and there was a net increase in rail -- in essence commuter rail travel after the financial incentives went away and the road opened. Finally, on the pricing front, two things that might be of interest in both the UK and the Netherlands, both of these national governments have a policy that is leading toward implementation of road pricing in the entire road network. Again, both the UK and the Netherlands have policies that say that people will ultimately have to pay for mobility. They -- GPS technology and do mileage based pricing and it is probably about ten years away because GPS -- the technology isn't in all cars yet but once it is in all the cars both of these countries have current policies to move towards mileage base using GPS. They are doing pilot studies with pricing and just two weeks ago, while some of us were over at the European TDM conference they announced the second major city of the UK -- it may be man chester -- will implement a corded charging scheme where people entering the central part of the city but also a fee on one of the major freeways entering so you will have to pay one fee if you go on the major interstate into the town center and another fee when you cross the cordon into the city's center. Some more cordon setting up in London and in the Netherlands. With that, I think I will turn it to grant to talk about institutional and facilitate at this strategy. Thank you Eric. Grant? Thank you very much and I want to thank you for your time today. As Eric mentioned I will transition and talk about institutional and facilitative strategy we have observed our European hosts when we ran our scan back in 2005. There were a number of they range from partnerships to travel planning coordination among multiple organizations and jurisdictions as well as national policies that may already be incorporating heirdoms particular Cal Lee for example -- we will -- the first example we wanted to share was one on partnership and when we were in Rome, we were introduced to a business model where the roam man's have created a mobility agency. They get the public sector and the private sector to provide services to the traveler -- the operations of transit and traffic operations into one organization. The services themselves are actually out sourced to private sector service providers. By doing that, they were able to create contractual arrangements where there were performance criteria established for the operations of the transportation network. By having that ability, they were able to both monitor the system as well as make changes or adjustments to schedule if the schedules were not real stick or to understand whether or not a performance criteria was not being met and if it was due to something beyond the control of the service provider themselves which was quite intriguing. It seemed as if that arrangement, that business model was working for the whole Roman community. They provided -- they still do provide traveler information through cell phones. Through this mobility agency, they have integrated core sharing service information and reservation capabilities and their transit passes all together into one system. They also provide a collected taxi system that enables individuals that might be going to areas that are not served by fixed route modes an option or a choice which again was an observation really on the integration of all the services together. Let's talk a little bit about some travel planning as well. Here is a couple of examples ranging from work site to new development, school planning, special events as well as individualized marketing campaigns which we thought were quite interesting and appear to be quite effective however costly but quite effective. First example is on school travel planning where they are trying to actually reduce the impacts of automobiles on the areas surrounding a school. They recognize the health issues associated with their population and their students and also the safety concerns but a key aspect from the safety component is that it is not so much that the parents were concerned about their children being abducted. It was more the parents ' concern about their child being hit by essentially their neighbor or by a fellow parent. That was one of the reasons why they really instituted this kind of program. They also assisted the employees to actually get to work both those that work at the schools as well as those commuting near the schools. One big take away that we gained from the United Kingdom was that they have a plan to have every school in the United Kingdom have a school travel plan in place. It will focus on elements that we commonly address or consider in what we do domestical Lee where it is education, try to make encouraging choices, issues of enforcement and engineering and education. Special events are another example from a travel planning perspective. Providing traveler information to the traveler prior to their actual de part tower and that might be days or even weeks in advance. So they understand what choices are available to them in making their way ultimately to a special event. They might integrate services with shuttles to the venues or within the venues if it is larger complex and integrate parking management services and services. Actually here this is from Australia but it does highlight a number of different strategies, one of which is having the service provided free of charge to participants of the event by showing their ticket stub. Education campaign and individual marketing. Something I think we really appreciated while we were on our tour was the integrated approach that they take to marketing where they strive to have one banner or one slogan or one program that people can identify with within a region or even within a country. In the upper right corner we see the good going example from London where thinker program revolves around the good going model. Anything good going is being served by multiple modes and multiple service providers, multiple options and choices but the citizens of London understand that good going has all to do with their mobility. Likewise here with the making of smarter choices work, that is a United Kingdom campaign that they have making smarter choices to work. It all revolves around the smarter choices slogan. The individualized traveling planning was of interest to us during our tour where they provide one-on-one travel assistance to the consumer, to the traveler. They would actually provide opportunities to, why don't you log your journeys for the next week or month and we will get back with you after you have completed that and give you some suggestions on how maybe -- what other choices there might be available to you and help them really understand what is a available because sometimes that is not as simple as perhaps we perceive when we are involved in delivering these services. That's worked out to be quite successful in the United Kingdom and in Europe. From a coordination standpoint, one example is a transport forum for major generators. This is really pulling together not just an individual business but multiple businesses and entities that might be within a zone or region and the example we are highlighting is at the airport in Heath row where they have put together a surface access strategy where they brought together the private secretary tore of the businesses, the airport authority to gain a appreciation of how their congestion problems are driven and what strategies would be palatable to those organizations that have ownership to that generate tore but also to their employees and obviously to the traveling public using Heath row for air transport services. They have realized a reduction of single vehicle use down about 8% from ' 92 to 2004 which is quite insight of the given that the demand to Heath row has actually increased in that same period. From a coordination standpoint, we were observing and got a chance to talk to them about delivery schemes. In this case parcels or commerce products and not so much people but they have implemented strategies where they consolidate the delivery so that if they are going to a congested area they try to stage the delivery and have a common carrier provide the delivery to that congested zone rather than having two or three vehicles approaching a business. Another example is where they coordinate the delivery times where it is considering the congestion out there and trying to get off peak times so they don't have an impact on the flow of traffic through the city center. Then a third example is actually depicted on the photograph on the right -- on the lower right where you have a collection point where your packages are actually delivered to a dry cleaner or to a market. You can actually pick up your parcels there rather than your parcels being delivered to your homes in the suburbs and it provides an option and choice to the consumers in that manner. Demand management and clean fuels, this is something I'm sure you are aware of if you have any type of TDM program or air quality issue in your region. The take away we appreciated from our European scanning was a program called CIBITAS. It is a European effort so all of the European community participating to integrate hard technologies or things that might be more based upon technology and engineering and infrastructure and pricing as Eric mentioned, also integrating them with soft policy measures that might include rent sharing or teleworking or business incentives for development. They have 36 pilots that they are involved in to really integrate the idea of demand management and congestion management and traffic management and that really is one of the take aways that we as a scan team had was the idea of integration in a very proactive manner. Bringing it all together from a coordination standpoint Deepak earlier shared with us the image here on the lower right, the institutional framework, the conceptual framework that the Dutch have on how traffic management, demand management work together to influence choices as well as demand. The transportation management center being really the HUB of how things are being managed from an information and data standpoint institutional Lee and organizationally, bringing it all together and this is actually a center we observed in DELFT which is in -- near Sweden and that actually is an example of their center which I'm sure many of you have seen but just to provide context for everybody and on the other side of this wall they actually have a center that is for the media and this room on top is for any type of incident or coordination meetings they might have to bring everything together under one roof and again they really see demand management and traffic management really being a hybrid initiative that doesn't really happen in individual vacuums. From a national perspective, a couple of policies that were shared with us during our scan, is the Dutch they called it the new mobility model but since it is about three years old, they may have changed that. They have a performance criteria with regards to travel time that should be only 1.5 times the free flow time throughout the country for 90% of the road trips and 2 times the free flow travel time in urban areas. That's an example which you may have heard USDOT tracking from a performance standpoint to get appreciation where we are at domestic Cal Lee. They are targeting specific trips and travel times to be specifically in their thinking. In Sweden they have a hierarchy are strategies that actually affect demand and choices and those might be some traditional TDM strategies like ride sharing and car-pooling but some of the others that we will be talking about next week with regards to active traffic management and inn from a structure and that's where -- infrastructure. The -- roadway improvement measures that are strategic and are not extensive capital improvement projects and then finally new investments or major improvements that do have significant financial out lays. Here are a couple of resource examples and again on the left side of your screen, we do have a POD open for you to down load and the web links dot DOC document contains these web links plus many more. All the web links we will be talking about throughout this webinar series. With that, I will turn it back over to Deepak for any questions or discussions. Thanks, grant. Please type in your questions in the chat box. I have a couple of questions already. I will start taking them in the order they come. Jennifer, is there anything we need to do to start the question/answer session. You can start with the once that were typed? We have about 35 minutes so I strongly encourage you to type in any questions and we will try to take as many questions as we can. First question, Eric and grant, are there any comparable prices in the US for a pricing scheme such as London or Stockholm. I will take that if it is okay to start with. Of course, the urban partnership agreement sites were partially put in place so that the feds could find someplace to pilot pricing and some of the concepts that were considered were cordon pricing in lower Manhattan but they were unable to get the legislative authority to adjudicate the tolls basically. The intent of the New York UDA was to have a cordon. There was some early talk about downtown San Francisco because of limited access points and bridges of having a cordon but San Francisco has moved toward a pricing which would include golden gate bridge and one of its primary access points which is Doyle drive, US1 and so most of the pricing demonstration projects in the US are corridor based they are not cordon based and many of the most significant -- I'm sure you all know -- the most significant example are hot lanes where they are selling off excess capacity in car pool lanes to solo drivers. For example, the UPA projects in Miami, Los Angeles, are all different variations of priced HOV lanes or for example, in the case of the twin cities, buses currently can use the hard shoulder to travel during peak periods and we will learn more about that next week. In the case of the twin cities, they are going to allow single occupy pant drivers to buy their way into the current bus lanes on the hard shoulder. Those are some of the pricing concepts in the US and the final US opportunity I would say is parking pricing. For example, Chicago and New York are considering variable on street pricing in the downtown area to encourage peak use of transit and so parking pricing is another part of pricing that we didn't talk about from Europe that may have an application here in the US. I hope that gives you some idea of where these things might be applied in the US. Thanks, Eric. The next question is has there been any research on the cost of gasoline as a bench mark to make London and Stockholm model politically feasable. I will take that again since we are on the pricing stuff. That has been great interest to me. Gas in the UK and central and Europe is $10 a gallon. It has doubled in the last year like it has here. The pricing projects in London and Stockholm were implemented when gas was quite a bit less and there now is some -- when mayor Livingston was defeated there was some talk of dumping the congestion charge in London because we are paying so much more for gas. Why are you thinking of pricing in the moment when gas is shooting up. The projects in Europe were implemented in a time of lower gas prices and high gas prices now are clearly having an impact on some of these European countries thoughts on expanding to different cities or to different places and thanks to Joe, it is man chester that is the next congestion charging city in Britain. Getting more questions on the pricing side. The next question is how did the Sweden introduce their program prior to the pilot. I think that refers to all the projects they did before the park and ride. I looked this up while we were talking about institutional issues and I don't have a bottom line numbers but the Stockholm trial was a federal demonstration project. So the majority of the funds came from their national government. In fact, revenue during the trial, revenue was only a small part of recouping the overall trial cost. The trial cost 240 million EUROS. I believe it was in the order of $400 million of improvements of which I think on the order of 150 million went toward the suburban park and ride bus system and some equivalent or lower amount for the technology to implement the technology around the area. So Stockholm was a federal trial, a federal pilot and they put a lot of their own national dollars into the trial. A good portion of which went towards paying for the suburban bus system and the trial was not predicated on recouping the dollars because it was only a trial and they knew it was only seven months long. They are recouping the cost now that it has been made permanent. Some of the revenue is going to pay off some of the earlier grants. In Europe there is no such thing as a trust fund for transportation. In European countries gas tax revenue goes into the general fund. They are not directly paying back grants but they are putting more money that are being used for the continued operation of those services. The next question relates to privacy concerns. What the European experience with privacy concerns and electronic and camera telling different than what might have been expected from US and north American experiences? I can take that one. We did talk to them a little bit about that although it wasn't a key focus on our scan. It did not appear that there were concerns about the use of cameras while we were in Europe. They use cameras quite extensively throughout many of the countries we visited for security purposes and it did not appear that they had concerns with regards to the cameras and the citizens were not revolting with regards to their use. Obviously, they had rules and policies and criteria in place on the use of those cameras and what the operators are allowed to do and not to do, but they were not issues to the point where they had to actually battle or over come them. I know we have got that issue in certain parts of the country where they have actually been taken down in some cases, that is cameras, that have been put out for transportation management reasons but sometimes that is due to very local license issues as opposed to a more global problem. And Grant, I believe they have protocols when the photo is taken it blacks out everything else on the vehicle except for the license plate. You can't see into the vehicle. You can't see bumper stickers. It plaques out everything else -- blacks out everything else. As soon as the toll is paid, the photo is destroyed. Think don't keep the actual photos. That is some of the ways they were getting around some of the privacy issues. It is much more widely accepted because the camera technology over there was largely developed in Britain after some of the bombings in great Britain in the ' 70s. So photo surveillance is much more an accepted part of life over there than it is currently here. The next question pertains to the affect on businesses. How are local economies impacted by the reduction in traffic volume? If the governments is gaining funds but are the businesses in the cordon area paying the price for this pricing condition technique? Would you like to talk about the affect on businesses the cordon pricing has had in London and Stockholm? I was going to draw in on an example in Rome. That was actually the first place where we actually saw the potential and the certain and then I will let, Eric, share more experiences. In Rome they had a smaller zone that had access control. We will talk about that next week. The businesses did not see a negative or decline in their businesses. In fact, they thought it was flat or improved because of the atmosphere that was created because of the really the lack of or the reduction in automobiles as well as buses on the surface street and they found that overall it was better for the entire atmosphere from the restaurant perspective, the businesses, the shops, they actually thrived because people would stay late for a cocktail or dinner to avoid the traffic. That was something we definitely talked about in Rome and then Eric, I don't know if you want to share something from London or Stockholm. Thanks, grant. I know that London has looked at this much more than Stockholm. There are separate reports out of London, they do an annual evaluation and there is a separate report and effort done on the impact on business and it is clear that small businesses in central London are the most very Cal opponents of the congestion charge. All the reports basically say that using tax records, they have not shown a -- any negative impact on small business revenues and the small business owners refuse to provide actual revenue figures but using tax records the transport for London has not been able to show a negative impact on business and from a regional standpoint, one of the selling points for 10 living stone to try to get reelected a third time is that Europe continued to grow faster partially because they did something about traffic congestion. London's economy continued to grow out pacing other European cities with charging in place. Okay. We have several more questions in queue. The next one is were they -- did you see any negative impacts on safety when speeds were increased in the cordon area and pedestrian traffic went up? Were any of those safety conflicts documented? I don't believe that they brought to our attention any safety issues from a negative standpoint. Eric, do you recall -- I don't recall ever hearing about that. The only thing I have heard is that more and more people are bicycling in London but now that car speeds and bus speeds are higher they are feeling more safe. It is one of the reasons why the new mayor is trying to make improvements. I don't know of any specific statistics that show about safety. If you go to transport for London's website, all the reports are there and they sort of have done a no stone left unturned evaluation. I'm sure safety is addressed. I'm just not aware of the results. The next is an interesting question particularly with the US application. Has there been any technology out there for a regular single versus multiple passengers when they try to access London and has there been any impact on pricing? I know there is a lot of research going on with regards to that. Heat sense source is an example to identify the number of warm bodies in the vehicle. I don't believe there is anything that has been put into a production environment or field environment beyond research at this point. The next question what did the Europeans learn from the US regarding management and travel demand? Eric, I think you are going over there to give a presentation on that topic or something very close to it. Do you want to take it? I did. Sort of after having talked about this European scanning trip, I went back and gave a presentation over there. This is how Americans are reacting to what you guys are doing in demand management and I think the lessons that I have come away with is that the Europeans are a bit more innovative with how they do their marketing. Grant talked about their overall awareness campaigns. They are more willing to spend big dollars on awareness campaigns than we are here in the states. One big difference with Europe is in Europe the primary alternative mode to the single occupy pant vehicle is transit. In the US the primary alternative is car-pooling and they are just learning about car-pooling and only a couple of countries are starting to dab bell in car-pooling . It was interesting because having a stranger share a hide with you is just not accepted. One of the things they are learning from us is how to make car-pooling acceptable. Car-pooling is just starting with systems of park and ride lots in the Netherlands. They have some huge cultural barriers to sort of get over to help people feel comfortable in sharing a ride and for example, the sort of -- one thing that we have here in the states over the last five years are a lot of software programs that allow people that car pool on a casual basis to sign up and earn points and the Europeans for the first time I saw that kind of software being promoted in Europe. They are trying to find ways to promote car-pooling and they are learning from us the culture of car-pooling and to a lesser extent look towards associations to look for a geographic strategy rather than the transportation forum. TMAs and car-pooling they are learning from us. We are learning a lot about how to do a lot of travel campaigns from them and the role of pricing as well. Clarification question, is there congestion pricing during the weekends in London, Stockholm or Rome? Weren't they more demand driven? It is Monday through Friday in Stockholm and London. It includes Saturday in Rome but I think it is primarily peak weekday periods. What are the French doing about congestion pricing? That's sort of an interesting topic. I mentioned that the -- London was tooting its horn saying we have had economic growth without pricing and there is a competition between Paris and London always. Paris says we don't need pricing because we have done so much with improving our public transportation system. It is quite interesting that they don't do much urban pricing. They heavily toll their motor way system. So some of you may be aware -- interesting about weekends in France there are motor ways that are only told on the weekends and that's because everybody in the large cities in France want to go south or go to the country side. So there is significant motor way tolls that are only implemented Friday afternoons, Sunday afternoons to spread out the peaks on their motor way system in non urban areas and as far as I know they were the first to do that and that has been in place for ten years or something. They price their motor ways for recreational travel. I'm unaware of anyplace in France that has done pricing in an urban setting. We just got one more question, Grant -- While you are doing that, I'm going back to a question about what the penalty was. She asked a question of what was the penalty for not paying the charge. An example from London in London the fine is 100 pounds, you have to 8 to drive. If you don't, the penalty is 100 pounds. If you pay off the penalty within two weeks it goes down to 50 pounds. If you wait until after 28 days it goes up to 150 pounds. While only a very, very small fraction of people don't pay the fine I just pulled up an article from the BBC a couple years ago there is a backlog of people who have ignored the fee and the police haven't found their vehicles to boot them yet but the fee -- the fine is 100 pounds. It is very, very stiff. $200 if you don't pay the congestion charge on time. The question that just came in is both Stockholm and London seem to be government sponsored and run approaches. Have there been any talks in Europe to shift it to public -- Italy and France are major public -- has there been any talk about private sector? One of the key components of the USDOT is to promote and encourage private partnerships. From the standpoint as far as shifting of the control, I think that the USDOT we are promoting and encouraging that. I know that's one thing but to actually make that come into play is probably going to be driven by local relationships in various cities and states both from a judicial standpoints, from laws on the books, from organizational structures. There is a lot that can play into that but we are definitely promoting that idea of building partnerships here in the US. That's actually a really good question because you would think that if these pricing schemes -- if the from a truck tower was paid off within three years it would be a good opportunity. I'm not aware of in Europe of any cordon pricing -- the N OR WEGIANS do it as well. I'm not aware of private that have done a turnkey pricing. It certainly would be attractive to do so. Maybe it was a matter of getting the first few trials out of the way and allowing a private concession come in and do it. The technology is known. The only thing that may be an interesting example the smart bike team in Paris is funded by an advertising company, a company that does bill boards on bus stops and outdoor advertising firm actually paid the up front capital for the bicycles because they have advertising at all the bike stations and there is -- the number of bike stations is in the hundreds if not more and so they basically -- it didn't cost the City of Paris anything to implement at least the capital side of the smart bike project in Paris that is getting so much attention and Washington DC is the first US city to have a smart bike program and their bike program will be up and running by the end of this month. A similar sort of smart bike program in downtown Washington. We have a question on the pricing and its impact on air quality. Did you find any status text showing the impact of pricing and air quality? There was something in your slide there. Well, the cordon pricing is a little bit easier to measure. In both the cases of London and Stockholm, I don't believe they did actual monitoring of air quality because again for example a 2.5% reduction in the entire Stockholm county could not be picked up. It would be within the variable of the monitor data. A 14% decrease of CO2 probably could be monitored at the cordon pricing stations and I believe they did put new monitors near the stations to show the direct impact at the specific cordon. As you get further out and as you start doing corridor level pricing, for example, here in San Diego, I know that the air quality analysis was largely inconclusive, there was really not a reduction in congestion in the main lanes of I15. There shouldn't be expected any air impact on air quality. Possible tornado most of the pricing schemes here in the US I think we will have to use calculated or modeled databased on whether there was an air quality impact and I think it will be harder to monitor the results. It is a very timely question because we are just in the middle of debating this question for the UPA evaluations around the country of whether we will be able to monitor air quality improvements particularly from hot lanes or whether we will have to Cal late the impacts and that gets into all kinds of questions about causal tee about the changes in travel and sort of a sticky sticky. We have about five minutes left for questions. Europe has a lot of mixed use zoning. How are we using that in the US to mitigate traffic demand by having mixed use zoning to shorten -- I can give a domestic example. Actually where I live here in Atlanta, there is a development called Atlantic station which is in mid town Atlanta and they actually have numbers of shops as well as department stores that are in this development that are mixed with businesses as well as residences, very close to downtown, actually provides a lot of shuttle service on a very frequent basis, about every five minutes which is actually free of charge for the people going to and from the shops, the residences and it's been very attractive as I understand it from some of my co- workers. It appears it is gravitating a lot of people to make choices as far as where they are living including one gentleman in our office who actually decided to move into that area because of the overall environment as far as the commute, the restaurants, the shops and just the ability to be so close to work and so on. That's an example. I think that Deepak one misconception about Europe is that -- I'm not trying to say that the question reflects this -- we do hear that the impression in Europe is that everybody lives in these very dense communities, that everybody has access to transit and it is a very different environment. Actually in the case of UK and Sweden, all over Europe suburban Zayres is as much of as it is here. Everybody wants to live out in the suburbs, have a detached house, supermarkets out in the suburbs and in fact the growth of EMT is higher in some of the European countries than in the US the a lot of the Europeans are fighting against suburban Zayres, some of the same issues we are facing in the US that make these alternative modes difficult to support and rail lines don't conveniently go out to all these places. They are trying to find some solutions and you will hear an example of how one city used land use and transportation improvements, the example we will give at the last seminar about how hundred dollars is trying to work with both land use and BRT and TDM to reduce VMT. I think this will be the last question for the day and then we have wrap up. Question what is the extent of EU investment and coordination in all aspects of demand management versus the US? Well, the EU is spending a tremendous amount of money on demand management, both research and practical applications. The way -- for those of you who may not be aware -- the VAT, 18 or 20% VAT. That's the tax that funds Europe. Europe has pretty deep pockets and in all facets of transportation and energy, Europe is putting a lot of money into demonstration projects, clear evaluation of those efforts and to get the information back so not only current -- other cities in the European union and particularly the new countries that are coming in and a great example of that is the CIVITOS I mentioned. It is in the web links. They are MARRYING technology with the soft side, the demand side to try to come up with integrated packages in cities to support a clean sustainable travel. So the European union is spending a lot of money in this area and it is driven by the environment, about air quality being serious about the member states commitments to CO2 reduction. Eric, I might actually add from one of our opening slides about the lessons learned is that we are doing a lot here domestically. It is just we haven't focused on the integration aspects of it. That may be brings back to what Eric's remarks were really focusing on bringing the hard and soft side together. In the case of the US, CMAC is a large POD of money. In the US we don't have central guidance and funding of demonstrations. We have a lot of money that can be spent on demand management. All the decisions are made on the local level. The locals decide how to spend that. It is a different environment I guess. Well, thank you all for participation. It was a great questions in here. Thank you Eric and Grant. Please the web links and the presentation on the left side of your screen, please down load them as a convenience and please register for the second and third part of the series. The second part talks about operations and active traffic management and strategies in Europe and the third part talks about access control, special DOTs, special lanes and transit options. So please register for that and the third part of Eric and Grant have talked about is trying to bring all these pieces together in a integrated framework for demand management. Please register for these workshops. The three-part webinar series is also available as a all day series. Please contact Grant for details and we have done this all day workshop in several cities around the US now and if you are interested in it now, contact us. Jennifer, would you like to conclude the webinar. I just wanted to close out today just to give you -- everybody some information on the next transportation operations coalition. The slide you are seeing on the screen right now lists the member organizations and you can go to the NTOC website and you can find out more about the organizations. The website contains information about up coming web casts and you can register for the June 26th and July 10th web cast as well as one on July 9th that will be about work zone traffic control. The site also contains archived page of the slides and recordings of previous talking operations web casts and that's where we will have the slides and recording of today's presentation and that will be up by tomorrow and I will send an e-mail out when that becomes available. There are two discussion forums. Finally, you can sign up on the website for the NTOC newsletter which you will get by e-mail twice monthly. There is calendars on the website with an extensive set of resources and links. That concludes today's web cast. Thank you to the presenters and have a great rest of the day (end)